Sunday, May 10, 2015

On God, is the absence of proof a proof of absence? If yes, can we call it a scientific approach ?

  • Doc Nirmal Dhallu Failed Long trade signal is a valid Short Trade ....................
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  • Harcharan Bains So, yes or no? Is absence of proof a proof of absence? And if yes, can we call it a scientific approach ?
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  • Harcharan Bains You mean yes, both. That absence of proof of anything is proof of it's absence. And that this is the way of science. No space for further inquiry and for undertaking painstaking research to reach a definite and scientific proof of absence.?

    Plenty of
     sacred scientific findings out there today if which there was ni proof only a few decades ago. Black holes for one. The unpredictability of behavior if matter at particle existence.
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  • Harcharan Bains Of which there was no proof only a few decades ago. Black holes for one. The unpredictability of behavior of matter at particle level ...correction
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  • Doc Nirmal Dhallu You are right, absence of prof within limited search space only proves its absence in that space.
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  • Harcharan Bains Shiv Pratap the advocate provocateur
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  • Harcharan Bains Shiv Pratap the advocate provocateur
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  • Doc Nirmal Dhallu Proof of something now may be disproved in the future. For example,Stephen Hawking proved his own PhD thesis wrong within a year.
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  • Harcharan Bains True. So while blind faith is the neither of enlightened religious approach nor is it the way of science, how scientific is it to have a blond faith in God's absence. As must be clear by now, I m not advocating blind faith either way.

    Even enlightened religious people dismiss superficial and blind faith in God as " irreligious" and advocate the path of experience.
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  • Harcharan Bains Correction . True. So while blind faith is neither the way of enlightened religious approach nor the way of science, how scientific is it to have a blind faith in God's absence?
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  • Mahesh Satija I turned to speak to God,
    About the world’s despair;
    But to make bad matters worse,

    I found God wasn’t there.

    God turned to speak to me
    (Don’t anybody laugh)
    God found I wasn’t there—
    At least not over half.
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  • Doc Nirmal Dhallu Most enlightened people raised enough doubt but it doesn't suite their followers to dismiss coz it is a big business. If Guru Nanak's followers truely followed him that god is withing then there will be no need for gurdwaras. No business. Why d...See More
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  • Harcharan Bains No I m not talking about religious groupings like Hindus Sikhs Muslims Christians jews etc, whose faith in God is just convenient observances of external rituals, nor am I talking of the unscientific millions who reject God without acknowledging a need for serious research.

    Therefore, I would refrain from being drawn into a new debate which takes a sober question into an altogether new direction. I would stick to addressing the question at a deeply personal level. Can we return to that please.

    But I join you in dissociating myself from fanatical crowds of both kinds, the prejudiced and pretentious so called rational and scientific community and the equally pretentious, prejudiced and fanatical religious groupings.
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  • Tejdeep Ahuja Absence of proof is not proof of absence, Scientifically speaking if we agree to this than most of hypothesis of past could not have been proved and present day hypothesis will not see the light of future. Pure Science and social science can not live in isolation,there is thin line between Science and Religion,particularly with Religions of Indian origin.

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